Ashraful Haque
Senior Member
Bengali
- Jul 9, 2024
- #1
The followings are according to Cambridge dictionary.
Knockoff - a cheap or less good copy of a popular or high-quality product, etc.
Counterfeit - made to look like the original of something, usually for dishonest or illegal purposes.
Fake - an object that is made to look real or valuable in order to deceive people.
Replica - an exact copy of an object
"I can tell it's fake/a replica/a knockoff/ a counterfeit. The logo is too big."
Even though the meanings are practically the same, I'm just wondering if we use them interchangeably in conversations.
The bolded parts (cheap copy, exact copy) got me a bit confused.
Aguas Claras
Senior Member
Madrid
UK English
- Jul 9, 2024
- #2
I don't think "replica" is necessarily a negative word. For example, "He has a miniature replica of the Eiffel Tower on his bedside table". Or "The watch he wears is a replica. The original is locked in the safe because it is too valuable to wear in the street".
The Newt
Senior Member
New England
English - US
- Jul 9, 2024
- #3
It depends in part on the nature of the item being imitated. "Knockoff" is fairly commonly used to apply to clothing, handbags, etc.; "counterfeit" is most often used for money. I would not assume that the words are "interchangeable."
I agree with Aguas Claras that a replica doesn't generally imply deceit.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Jul 9, 2024
- #4
Counterfeit -> formal, negative.
Fake -> informal, negative
Knock-off -> more informal, derogatory.
Replica -> usually neutral.
kentix
Senior Member
English - U.S.
- Jul 9, 2024
- #5
Sometimes fakes are so fake you know they're fake. But there are people that will buy something like that anyway because it's affordable and is "close enough". I think the same is true of a knockoff. It could be clear that it's not real to someone with a little bit of savvy. I think counterfeit is always used in relation to things that are meant to fool someone into thinking they're genuine (even if it doesn't fool someone in a particular case).
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JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Jul 9, 2024
- #6
On my visit to Hong Kong years ago, I was approached by a hawker : “ You want to buy a fake watch?”
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Jul 10, 2024
- #7
JulianStuart said:
On my visit to Hong Kong years ago, I was approached by a hawker : “ You want to buy a fake watch?”
Only one hawker...?
JulianStuart
Senior Member
Sonoma County CA
English (UK then US)
- Jul 10, 2024
- #8
PaulQ said:
Only one hawker...?
The others were less upfront!
se16teddy
Senior Member
London but from Yorkshire
English - England
- Jul 10, 2024
- #9
"Counterfeit" is a rather formal word - even a bit legalistic.
I think the word "knockoff" is rather dated slang - I have not heard it for years.
As others have said, "fake" implies deception (though #6 it was not the buyer who was deceived); "replica" does not.
Ashraful Haque
Senior Member
Bengali
- Jul 17, 2024
- #10
If I'm wearing a fake watch and tell my friend "It's not real. It's fake/a replica/ a knock-off" would any of them sound unnatural to them?
heypresto
Senior Member
South East England
English - England
- Jul 17, 2024
- #11
I can't say what would sound natural or unnatural to your friend, but as you've told us it's a fake watch, "It's fake" sounds like the obvious option.
Ashraful Haque
Senior Member
Bengali
- Jul 17, 2024
- #12
heypresto said:
I can't say what would sound natural or unnatural to your friend, but as you've told us it's a fake watch, "It's fake" sounds like the obvious option.
Do you personally choose the term depending on the quality of the product? Personally, I stay away from replicas and am very bad at detecting any difference. I use the terms interchangeably and thought most people did the same.
heypresto
Senior Member
South East England
English - England
- Jul 17, 2024
- #13
I've never bought a watch, and am not interested in 'names' or 'brands', and so I'm no expert in this field, but I would lump all these terms into one simple 'fake'.
The Newt
Senior Member
New England
English - US
- Jul 17, 2024
- #14
Ashraful Haque said:
If I'm wearing a fake watch and tell my friend "It's not real. It's fake/a replica/ a knock-off" would any of them sound unnatural to them?
"Fake" suggests that you were deceived when you bought the watch; "knock-off" is more neutral.
Sometimes "replicas" are marketed as such. If a company manufactures watches that copy the design for one that was worn by Abraham Lincoln (or whoever), they may well market them as "authentic replicas" or words to that effect.
kentix
Senior Member
English - U.S.
- Jul 17, 2024
- #15
The Newt said:
Sometimes "replicas" are marketed as such. If a company manufactures watches that copy the design for one that was worn by Abraham Lincoln (or whoever), they may well market them as "authentic replicas" or words to that effect.
Yes in my book, a replica is usually an acknowledged replica. It's saying "this looks like something that used to be popular or famous in the past". You might have a landline telephone that looks like an old timey telephone from the 1930s but it's a replica because it doesn't have the same internal wiring. It's not intended to fool anyone. It's intended to have a design aesthetic that the owner enjoys. A lot of times historical buildings like the childhood homes of people who later became president will have replica furniture. They don't have the original furniture that person grew up with but they have replicas that look like the original so that people will understand what the house looked like back at that time. Those aren't fake or knockoffs, they are reproductions of the originals that are as historically accurate as possible.
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